How about some tasty human fetus stew? I have met many a liberal on abortion who insists that the fetus is not really a person. However, I have never met one who has maintained that it would perfectly acceptable morally—since on the liberal view the fetus is not a human being—to consume the fetus as a source of food and nourishment. Alas, the question is why not? Animal flesh is eaten all the time; and since the human fetus is claimed by liberals not to be a person, then why cannot it not be eaten as a form of animal flesh? My raising this question is not an indication of my having become a morally demented individual.
Rather, I have raised the question because precisely what has been reported in the Seoul Times (9 June 2009) is that in China the human fetus is being served as a form of nourishment. The article claims that in China baby herbal soup is held to “increase overall health and stamina and the power of sexual performance in particular”.
Now, the observation that I wish to make is the liberals on abortion are in no position to criticize the practice in China of consuming the human fetus for food. Why? Because liberals on abortion insist that the fetus does not constitute a human being, and so has no moral standing at all as a human being. By this line of reasoning, eating a human fetus can be no more morally objectionable than eating dog or snake or horse or snails. I may not be able to stand eating such creatures, but I cannot on moral grounds object to anyone else doing so. This holds even for dogs; for surely there is no moral difference between dogs and pigs; and the consumption of pig is highly savored.
This of example of the fetus being used as food in China brings into sharp relief the importance of thinking through the consequences of what we advocate. Liberals have been so anxious to insist that abortion is justified that they have pretty much denied commonsense in order to achieve that outcome.
It will be remembered that the liberal view on abortion is not simply that there are circumstances when abortion is permissible. Rather, liberals have maintained that in effect abortion upon demand is justified; and this move has required liberals to take the stance that the fetus has no status at all as a human being. From this stance, it follows that that there would be nothing at all morally wrong with a woman who aborted a fetus then turning around and stuffing the fetus in order to use it as a form of decoration in her home.
To my knowledge, no liberal has ever suggested such a thing. The point, however, is that no liberal is in the position to criticize a woman who so behaves. And, of course, if stuffing a fetus for home decoration is morally acceptable, then surely there can be no moral grounds for objecting to eating the fetus. The most that one can say is that there are prudential grounds for not doing so. But then prudence as such is not thought to fall under the provenance of morality, as the cases of over-eating and spending beyond our means make abundantly clear.
Now, if the practice in China of eating the human fetus is without qualification morally horrendous, then something very, very disturbing follows, namely that the practice of abortion as liberals conceive of it does indeed constitute something akin to genocide, as conservatives have in fact claimed. To be sure, no particular race or ethnic group is targeted. Yet, a class of people who in the most fundamental respects are identical is in fact targeted. This class of people is targeted not in the sense that there is a willful effort on the part of the state to kill them, but in the sense that the members of this class have no moral standing if the woman who is carrying the fetus should decide to kill it.
The parallel here to American Slavery is rather poignant: Although there was no requirement to kill slaves, slaves had no moral standing at all if a slave owner decided to do just that. (As an aside, the Holocaust was a case of genocide, namely the deliberate aim to eradicate a group of people off the face of the earth. Neither abortion nor American Slavery has ever been about doing that.)
In objecting to American Slavery, the following very simple moral principle was fundamental: The rights and liberty of whites does not take precedent over the rights and liberty of blacks.
Thus with respect to the fetus, the question that forcefully presents itself is the following: Do the rights and liberty of women take precedent over the rights and liberty of the fetus? The case of fetus consumption in China makes it manifestly clear that an affirmative answer to this question has morally disastrous moral consequences.
The abortion debate dramatically reveals the ability of human beings to justify any view that suits their interests, and so to that end to deny the incontrovertible facts of life. The very idea that abortion can, at once, be justified upon-demand even though a third party commits murder should he kill a woman’s unborn fetus (without her permission?) ought to have made it abundantly clear that the liberal view of abortion is incoherent. After all, whether a fetus has a right to life surely cannot be said to turn upon simply the fact that the pregnant woman in question wants the fetus to live or not.
In the name of ideology, though, liberals have been more than willing to pass over the aforementioned inconsistency. Well, China has offered liberals another opportunity to reflect upon their views about abortion. It should be very interesting, indeed, to see what liberals come up with this time.
In order to be consistent in their inconsistency, the response of liberals to China has to be the following:
Why, of course, any woman can offer her fetus for the ingredients of a meal. She may of her own volition go to an abortion clinic in order to arrange such a thing. It is just that no one can force her to offer her fetus as one of the ingredients for a delicious—or, for that matter, disgusting—meal.
What is going on in China makes it clear that the time has come to embrace the right moral conception of consistency with regard to the fetus; and that consistency cannot be that the fetus is nothing more than a clump of cells. For it is precisely that conception of the fetus that makes the morally abhorrent practice of human fetus conception in China one which liberals cannot even begin to criticize.
it’s so disgusting,poor fetus, they are like vampires.
This just furthers the argument that morals are instilled on a cultural level. Consider the following:
In the United States, the majority of the population would argue that it is wrong to eat a dog or a cat. Why? I have met many people who insist that a dog is not a person. However, I have never met one who has maintained that it would be perfectly acceptable morally—since on the typical view the dog is not a human being—to consume the dog as a source of food and nourishment. Animal flesh is eaten all the time; and since a dog is claimed not to be a person, then why cannot it be eaten as livestock?
My raising this question is not an indication of my having become a morally demented individual. Rather, I raise this question because it is the custom in some cultures to eat dogs and cats as a form of nourishment.
Now, the observation that I wish to make is that Americans are in no position to criticize the practice in some cultures of consuming the dog for food. Why? Because people insist that the dog does not constitute a human being, and so has no moral standing at all as a human being.
–Do you see where I’m going with this?–
Some cultures believe it is immoral to eat swine, and yet these cultures do not make the argument that pigs are human beings. Indeed, people hold many moralistic views on consumption that are not based on the premise that the food is a person.
However, if we are to follow your logic, then I think that the time has come to embrace the right moral conception of consistency with regard to dogs and that consistency cannot be that the dog is nothing more than animal flesh. For it is precisely that conception of the dog that makes the morally abhorrent practice of dog consumption in some cultures one which Americans cannot even begin to criticize.
Or perhaps the world is not as black and white as we’d like it to be.
the truth that YOU THINK it is not an ISSUE TO EAT A FETUS IS ABSURD!!!
Why? you’re a human too right? do you think you would be a person without being a fetus? the answer is a BIG NO!!! What else, GOD did not created us just to be a food for others, if we are to do this, where are our morals? ARE WE NOT HUMAN? if this is how everyone would look at life, then maybe morality is really out of our system. I just hope that you’d realize that we are babies once in our lives and being eaten? sure, WE’RE NOT HUMAN so its okay, RIGHT?
Yeah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DISGUSTING that’s IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how dare u people!!!!u dare to eat an innocent life without conscience!!!human are consider as people of GOD, but u who do this kind of crime are people who are belong to DEVIL!!!! u were vampires!!! i just PRAY that u will not be forgiven and GOD will condemn u,., u will be in hell,., hope u gonna realize that its not to late to stop this kind of immoral act. PLEASE HAVE MERCY TO THE BABIES AND GIVE JUSTICE!!
is it true ?
I believe this to be media sensationalist clap-trap, something along the line of…, ‘lets de-humanise the other, lets create an enemy, lets starve the children, lets go to war’. Even if this is factually true, is it really morally wrong? I would not be able to hold down a baby,foetus, whatever, myself, but if someone wishes to consume such a thing, and yes it is a thing, because it does not live or hold potential to live, then why not?
In my humble opinion people should have the right to eat what they want. However when you choose to eat a human foetus you cross a moral line that says human flesh is ok to eat. Regardless at what stage it is at. From in the womb or at the end of its life and dying from old age. Or for whatever purpose you hope to gain from it. If you choose to eat it you return to your animal state. You no longer hold human life in high regard and class you fellow humans nothing more than a source of food. You have to question the state of your soul if you think this accpetable practice. You have to ask. Where will this lead if you think it is okay. Will we stand for forced pregnancy and abortion farms?(Like we farm animals) Just so some old rich men can eat in the hopes of staying virile.(From the quick research I did on the subject as to why this practice is happening.) What ever you believe. The practice of eating human flesh regardless of its stage of life is wrong. You may deny that it’s human its just a clump of cells. DNA tests on those cells would show that it still human rather than chicken or beef or any other type of animal. Regardless of what you eat when you choose to eat human flesh over other source’s of food readily available. You conscience has become warped. When you consider the reason behind why you would want to eat this. Its not just for a meal. Its come the practice and belief that eating a certain something imparts something to you. In this case my research comes up with Old men believing it will give them sexual virility. Which in my opinion makes this practice even more sadder. And even more morally wrong.
Look people… If there is even a handful of brainwashed morons in China sitting around doing this, it should be alarming and is a horrible concept yes, but you must realize that this is NOT CHINA, nor is it the Chinese culture or belief to do this, and it is not how most people any place live. There are however such monsters on American soil that do much worse things to people and babies and have done so unpunished for years. There are certain people with well protected identities in our own government who have the power to do whatever they want, to who ever they want… even your daughter (God forbid), who think and do way worse and its happening right under our very noses… UNDERSTAND the real issue behind this is to monitor your opinion about the idea… REALIZE that there is a mass hypnosis brain washing taking place on a global scale, controlled by the super power elite Sumerian banker bloodlines (yes, the real vampires ladies and gentlemen) who many believe are even as deeply rooted as Disney Pictures, and other major corporations I will not mention. These people are hell bent on taking over the whole globe, silently. Take heed of the real propaganda… What are you being sold? What are you being reduced to people? For the love of YOURSELF (if God just isn’t it for you) SEE THE TRUTH! DO NOT TAKE THE H1N1 SWINE FLU VACCINE!!! PLEASE DO NOT CENSOR MY COMMENTS SITE ADMIN! thank you
whoever or should I say whatever (as they are nothing but satanic animals) individuals participating in this vile sick ungodly act should be prosecuted to the fullest extent . I can’t believe my eyes , I feel utter revulsion right now…. so angry.
whoever or should I say whatever (as they are nothing but satanic animals) individuals participating in this vile sick ungodly act should be prosecuted to the fullest extent . I can’t believe my eyes , I feel utter revulsion right now…. I am so angry.
what’s going on in china?? taiwanesse guys eating poor fetus just only their sexual need?? please look inside your heart. you’re beast canibal eating human. poor fetus are still human being must treated as human even their cannot survive living or abortion victim by their parents. world getting more crazier by chinnesse guys who did immoral to poor dead baby. Respect the dead fetus by having funeral too.. not being soup then you eat like devil..
china….china… n china…
why always china….used 2 be…monkey brain n now…fetus…?
qui sera sera…..
moraly wrong too eat a human being i see why they put the one child law beacus they dident have the food but why would you eat the other baby?!?!?! too improve sex???? idc how poor you are i would never sell my baby too stupid ass china would pay its just plain out WRONG
The logic of your argument rests on a false dichotomy. You are saying that either a fetus is a human or a fetus is fair game to do with as we please. There’s a vast middle ground that you ignore in order to make your point.
Is this the kind of sick, twisted fantasies you people sit around in Sunday School and research? God, I bet you want it to be true. You want it soooooo bad you can’t help but burst! This article is what thinking people a “slippery slope” fallacy of argument. What evidence does this article present that anyone in the US has ever suggested eating an aborted fetus? The argument the artical wants the reader to believe is: China has abortions, and some Chinese eat aborted babies. The US has abortions, therefore some in the US will eat fetuses. Sorry, right-wing idiots: the US (as you are never too tired to tell us) is not China; never has been, never will be. US abortions will not lead to US baby soup.
where are the human right people now , dont they see all this ,are they sleeping, why dont we stop buying chinese products, Stop buying Chinese Products, Americans are the worlds largest consumer of Chinese products , IF Americans control Buying Chinese Products the Big short companies of Amriecans In China will be forced to Close down and to return to USA creating job security for americans and will push back China to old situations where Chinese people cannot buy expensive weird food
my whole family was from China, and I have relatives living in that region.
Here’s a fact:this is NOT true
this is some sick joke, and you people who actually believes it are idiots.
another fact: in modern China, it is illegal to eat animals like dogs, cats, etc.
and so what if they do?
In France, they eat snakes, in ancient Aztec and Maya, they sacrifice human hearts to the gods,
the people who lived in the Amazons shrink the heads of the dead. Other cultures have done a lot of bazaar things. And so what? It’s just tradition and the way they live their life!! Other countries think America is a strange land. That’s no different from eating dogs, cat, and human fetuses.Is it wrong? Yes. But don’t believe everything you read from the internet.
if u are an kind and how to think good…..u must not do these abortion,coz the fetus will be live a long life even in poor condition….the baby will have a family even if u dont like him…he or she will give some future good in life….think about it do u want to live the child in her way or just make him a toy or a food like these…..u may eat other but dont eat fetus babies that woman and man make and god made:)
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my whole family was from China, and I have relatives living in that region.
Here’s a fact:this is NOT true
this is some sick joke, and you people who actually believes it are idiots.
another fact: in modern China, it is illegal to eat animals like dogs, cats, etc.
and so what if they do?
In France, they eat snakes, in ancient Aztec and Maya, they sacrifice human hearts to the gods,
the people who lived in the Amazons shrink the heads of the dead. Other cultures have done a lot of bazaar things. And so what? It’s just tradition and the way they live their life!! Other countries think America is a strange land. That’s no different from eating dogs, cat, and human fetuses.Is it wrong? Yes. But don’t believe everything you read from the internet.
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idiot. you forget that-
many people can speak chinese and read chines. –
the news was reported by chinese new paper. you people eat babies.
ok. do not lie, baby eater!
here are the reports in chinese,
婴儿汤 – baby soup 东莞出现人食人，“婴儿汤”摆上桌面
http://www.mumbaby.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=47602
Mr 17,
my whole family was from China, and I have relatives living in that region.
Here’s a fact:this is NOT true
this is some sick joke, and you people who actually believes it are idiots.
another fact: in modern China, it is illegal to eat animals like dogs, cats, etc.
and so what if they do?
In France, they eat snakes, in ancient Aztec and Maya, they sacrifice human hearts to the gods,
the people who lived in the Amazons shrink the heads of the dead. Other cultures have done a lot of bazaar things. And so what? It’s just tradition and the way they live their life!! Other countries think America is a strange land. That’s no different from eating dogs, cat, and human fetuses.Is it wrong? Yes. But don’t believe everything you read from the internet.
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idiot. you forget that-
many people can speak chinese and read chinese,
the news was reported by chinese news paper. you people eat babies.
ok. do not lie, baby eater!
here are the reports in chinese,
婴儿汤 – baby soup 东莞出现人食人，“婴儿汤”摆上桌面
http://www.mumbaby.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=47602
another chinese baby dish
http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/china.html
You’re all fucking idiots, had you read more than just this article, you would know that these pictures are only but an art form/campaign against abortion. They’re NOT REALLY EATING A FETUS. The point of these pictures is to deconstruct the justification that fetuses are not human.
Daniel W. you have a very sick mind. People like you scare me. All these cultures that are eating babies and stuff like cats and dogs are going to face Jesus one day and some may not even make it to heaven for being so blind. Dogs are more then cattle stupid. Does a cow wag its tail when u approach it, NO. even a pig has intelligence. I don’t think any meat should be consumed. I will be glad when God sends down his angels and rescues this wicked world.Now Alex has some sense here. I worked in an emergency room and had to help with normal miscarriages and even then it broke my heart. This procedure is quite painful for the mother and is horrible for the fetus. there are times I would have to look away. I will never understand how a mother can go and have her baby torn to pieces by a machine. This is MURDER. True and simple. American please stop this. Diane
alex your the only idiot here can’t even use decent verbs you have to use the F word how disgusting you are. Most humans know China is not cultured on cannibleism. They are rich, intelligent people who has better sense than to eat babies. I will give it to the owner of this website they know how to make money. Wish I had thought of the idea. I think all the abortion doctors should be forced to eat the babies they kill then they would not be so eager to murder them. Its a money racket. Getting rich off of murder. How unique. But lets see how they look when they see hell. Because that is where all of them are going including the mothers. god didn’t make the immaculate human race for doctors to kill our babies. Maybe some girl out there fixing to have an abortion will not do it. My son got his girl friend pregnant and her mother wanted her to have an abortion, what I told her was make a decision that you are gonna live with the rest of your life. She chose to have the baby, he is 11 now and perfect. Diane
it cant be true can it ? i dont belive that abortion is right not just becuse of religon but becuse a featus is a human that breaths and has a heart and soul its sad that some think murdering your un born child will solve all your problomes hell iv tryed cow balls & yes testicals pepole they were awsome !!!! please dont judge others by the B.S you see on the net i did at first but thought no way its true and even so …. maybe its true but its NON OF YOUR BUYSNESS
In my simple opinion! This is a really IMORAL act! Think people
Just because you don’t like your baby in your womb you just abort it!
And sell for other people for their meal!
This is a myth! Research, people!
http://ethicalmartini.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/baby-herbal-soup-update/
I don’t believe that the article is true for one thing, but who am i to judge someone who believes in their morals if it is happening some where in this planet. you hear a lot of stories some true some false who really knows. But what really pushes my buttons is to always have that one person who thinks their all high in mighty with god on their side. I AM NOT JUDGING THE MORALS OF RELIGION. But to sit there and judge people because they are different then you is against everything that is even written in the bible its self. When a child is sixteen and pregnant and has nothing in her life so she decides to do an abortion she is always judged by the religion types. when a women is raped and becomes pregnant and gets an abortion she is also judged by them as well. that’s the problem in America today women are judged by people of faith all because the women who want or need abortion feel like their doing the right thing so they are placed in a class of un-hamanity. So how dare you to anybody who judges the morals of people who practices their belief in a different way. just because we all look like humans don’t mean that we all have the same beliefs or even the same morals. if there is truly a race of people in this world that eat a fetus and like it like eating a dog or even a cow then let them eat it it is their way of life, it doesn’t ever mean that it will ever have to be your moral right to do as well. STOP JUDGING OTHERS THAT ARE JUST DIFFERENT AND LIVE YOUR OWN DAMN LIFE THE WAY YOU WANT TO. If you are someone that goes around judging others then your not living your life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
; Wtff !? First Of All , Why Are You Guys Eatingg A Babyy ? A Human Beingg . Yeahh A Baby Is a Baby ‘ Its Madee . You Don’t Gotta Eat It . I Hopee God Forgives You , ? Really A Babyy Is a Son Of God , Not No Food . Chinaa Your Messed , I Will Have No Desire To Go To Your Countryy . Never Ever , Yall Should Be Reportedd . Anywayss ‘ Hope You Go To Dam HELL ! For Eatingg Innocent Humanss .
Everything is made by god, including your pork dinner. That is not a very good argument as to why you shouldn’t eat it. The reason you shouldn’t is very well illustrated in the article: disease and germs. Kuru AKA the human version of mad cow disease, is known to be contracted from consuming human brains. We know this because of the people in papa new guinea who practiced religious cannibalism have a long history of contracting Kuru. Morally, however, I don’t see anything wrong with eating something that is essentially scavenged, that would otherwise be thrown away. You’re not killing anything, it was already dead, and wasn’t killed for the purpose of your lunch. If you’re going to take the god angle, quite a few religions used to/still do practice cannibalism. Good luck trying to convince anybody that your god is better than their god. Nobody is winning that argument.
I also want to add that this blog entry is a rather pathetic attempt to obscure and emotionally manipulate the argument about abortion. There’s a lot of rambling going on here, but what it boils down to is one single line: Does a fetus’s rights outweigh the rights of the mother? This argument has been rehashed a thousand times before and no new information is being provided here. This is entry is nothing but psuedo-intellectual masturbation.